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A tale of two brothers? Two Player families in Coventry, England

Craven Street, Coventry

I have already written about the Player family of Coventry, England before (here and here). Recently, I have been trying to clean up my files and my research on this family, and I realized that I have much more to write about. As my academic husband always says: unpublished research is the same as research that was never done. I think that this adage can be applied to genealogy as well. I view these blog posts as steps towards the production of something longer about the Player family.

One of the enduring mysteries of the Player family research is the relationship between William and Thomas Player who lived at 9 and 6 Craven Street, Coventry for several decades. The families lived and worked together in this area of Coventry in the watch making trade and it seems very likely that they are related. But how?

William was born on 12 Oct 1794 in London, and his parents were John and Patience. Thomas was born in 1803 in Birmingham according to every census return. One of my fellow Player researchers, a descendant of Thomas, has looked long and hard for a birth or baptismal record for Thomas to no avail. Who were Thomas’ parents? Was he the youngest child of John and Patience or is he a cousin to the family?

There is some circumstantial evidence that Thomas was the child of John and Patience. First, a Daniel Player died in 1803 in Coventry. On his burial record, his parents are listed as John and Prudence and we know that John and Patience had a son Daniel James who was born in 1800. Close enough? That would put John and Patience in Birmingham at the time of Thomas’ birth. But why were they there? Although we don’t know what happened to John Player, we do know that Patience later died in London in 1831 and that her other children married there. So while the family might have been in Birmingham for a time, they returned to London at some point.

Thomas Player was the first Player to live in Coventry. In 1828, he married Margaret McGregor at the Holy Trinity Church in Coventry. Thomas and his family are the only Players living in Coventry in 1841. Thomas was a watch dial painter or an enameller. Birmingham was known for it watch dial painting, and it seems possible that this is where Thomas did his apprenticeship. This evidence, plus the fact that Thomas was the first in Coventry, would mean, however, that he did not live with the London Players for several years.

Thomas Player

By 1851, Thomas had been joined in Coventry by William Player and his family. William was living at 6 Craven Street, just doors away from Thomas Player. (Thomas Player would later live in 6 Craven Street for several decades). William’s sons George and Ebenezer where also present in Coventry — both had married in the city in 1847. There is also evidence that William’s eldest son (also William) was in Coventry in 1846 as his infant son died in Coventry at that time. William Jr. and his family returned to London and were living there in 1851. William’s daughter Elizabeth and her husband Joshua Willington joined her parents in Coventry and they were living on Craven Street in 1861.

Although William Player is listed as a watch dial painter on the 1851 census (when he is also living at 6 Craven Street where Thomas and his family would also live), William and his sons were more involved in mechnical aspects of the trade like engine turning. Presumably these two families worked together to make whole watches — each family contributed its special knowledge to the project.

These two families had something else in common: both were involved in non-conformist churches — churches that did not follow the Church of England. William’s children were baptized in the Providence Independent Chapel in London, and I have found records that Thomas’ two elder sons were baptized in the West Orchard Independent Chapel in Coventry. William’s son Joseph was also married in this chapel. Descendants of both families have heard rumours that the Players were either baptists or Quakers. (William’s son Joseph and his family were certainly baptists; but I have never been successful in connecting the family to the large number of Players who were Quakers.) This adds to the strong circumstantial evidence that there is a connection between these families.

I followed the Player families through the English censuses until 1911 and all of the Players in Coventry until that time were descendants of either Thomas or William. Of Thomas’ four sons, his son William seems to have been the most prosperous (living in a named house on Dover Street, Coventry), although his son Thomas developed a reputation as a talented watch dial painter.

Player Watch Manufacturing Factory, Coventry

Of William’s sons, his youngest Joseph was the most successful. (Joseph is my gg-grandfather, father of Richard Morgan Player). Joseph rode the industrial revolution to prosperity. He was a watch manufacturer (not a watch maker) and he had a factory where workers would construct the watches. By 1871, Joseph was employing 56 men and 23 boys in his factory and by 1881, he and his family were living in Allesley, a town outside of Coventry. The family was living in a large house and employed three servants. Living outside of Coventry meant it was necessary to ride to the factory in Coventry, a luxury for only the well-off. The family suffered a blow, however, when Joseph died in 1895 at the age of 61. His eldest son Joseph William took over the business, and it fell on hard times as cheaper watches were available from America, and after Joseph William attempted to make the world’s most complicated watch for JP Morgan. As far as I can tell, there are no descendants of Joseph Player left in Coventry.

None of this, however, solves the problem of determining the relationship between William Player and Thomas Player. I’m not sure how to proceed next. I think that our best bet will be to find the apprenticeship records for Thomas Player. Anyone have any other ideas?

Craven Street Plaque at the residence of the Player family

A timeline of Players in Coventry

1828
  • Thomas Player married Margaret McGregor in Coventry
1841 Census
1851 Census
1861 Census
1871 Census
1881 Census
1891 Census
1901 Census
1911 Census

Some good Coventry resources

Tracing the Burke family from Mariposa Township, Ontario to Saskatchewan

I was recently facing a painful deadline for a paper that I was writing. It was killing me, and in my desperation, I decided to distract myself (read: procrastinate) by trying to make some headway on one of my most difficult brickwalls: tracing the Burke family back to Ireland. My paternal grandmother was a Burke, and although she knew her ancestors were Protestant Irish (and Orangemen), she had little information about where the family had come from in Ireland. It had been easy to trace the family back to the Canadian patriarch: one David Burk (the ‘e’ in Burke got added in Canada) who had settled in Mariposa Township in Victoria County, Ontario about 1850. (The exact date of his settlement is difficult to determine and made harder by the fact that the 1852 census returns for this township have not survived.)

Finding David Burk also meant finding another branch of this family who had also done extensive research and had perserved some oral family history. These cousins added some important information to the search, information which they pulled together in this biography of David Burk. The key information in this piece was that David Burk had (at least) two brothers–Richard and Joseph–and that one of these brothers had married a Catholic woman, was estranged from the family and moved west; and the other had had lots of children and had moved to Australia. I thought that my best chance of finding out more about David Burk was to find his siblings.

The Burkes who moved west

Richard Burke (1836-1907)

First I had to do some grunt work. I wanted to make sure that I knew all I could about what happened to David Burk and Elizabeth Pogue’s children. I started tracing their lives through the Canadian censuses. In 1901, I found the three younger Burk siblings (Margaret, Cordelia and Joseph) all living close to each other in Carivale, Saskatchewan. They had clearly moved west when land on the Prairies became available. When I pulled up the original images of the census returns, I noticed something. Living close to David Burk’s children and their families were some other families named Burke, including one Richard Burke, born in 1836 in Ireland. Richard’s descendants had done a lot of work tracing their side of the family and I very quickly learned that Richard and his family had also settled in Mariposa Township, Victoria County, Ontario before they moved west in 1885. Even though the details don’t quite match the oral family history in my side of the family, they are close enough. I was certain that this Richard Burke was David’s brother.

I was very quickly able to find descendants of Richard online (I love meeting new cousins), and I was very happy to hear that this branch of the family had been quite fastidious about keeping their family history. They knew, for instance, that Richard came from County Monaghan in Ireland. Richard’s grandson Delmer Smith Burke even wrote a lengthy year-by-year account of his life in Carievale. In this family history, he mentions that on the way west in 1881, his father Jacob George Burke stayed with his uncle David Graham and that David’s wife was his aunt, a sister to his father Richard Burke. This is music to a genealogist’s ear. Sure enough, I was able to find a marriage record for an Esther Burke and a David Graham. Esther was a resident of Mariposa Township when she married David Graham in Cobourg, Ontario in 1859. But the best news was that their marriage record named Esther’s parents: Benjamin and Jane Burk(e). I had not had these names before, but they do fit perfectly as both David and Richard had a son named Benjamin–not a common Irish name.

Evidence that this is the same family

Although I do not have birth records for David or Richard Burke, there is some powerful evidence that these families are related:

  1. Both families settled about the same time in Mariposa Township, Victoria County, Ontario. (In the absence of the 1852 census returns, I’ll have to check land records for the township, but I’m guessing that these families also lived close to each other in Mariposa).
  2. David’s descendants remembered a brother Richard and Richard’s descendants remembered a brother David.
  3. There were seven families living next to each other in Carievale in 1901: three children of David Burke, Richard Burke and four of his children. It is highly unlikely that this is a coincidence. (See the list below).
  4. The names Benjamin and Jane (the parents listed on Esther’s marriage certificate) are repeated in both families.

Burkes living in Carievale, Saskatchewan in 1901:

David Burk descendants

Richard Burke family and descendants

Richard Burke and his children

 

Remaining questions

There are still some things that I would like to figure out.

  • It seems likely that the Burke siblings came to Canada during the Irish potato famine between 1845 and 1852. About 100,000 immigrants came to Canada in 1847 alone; 60,000 of them were Irish.
  • Did the siblings come together or at different times?
  • Did the parents also perhaps come to Canada and die before 1867 when deaths were recorded regularly in Ontario?
  • There is a large age gap between David (b. 1824) and Richard (b. 1836) and Esther (b. 1839). This would suggest to me more than just one additional sibling. Did these siblings also come to Canada? Where are they? Were they also in Mariposa Township?
  • If Richard wasn’t the brother to move to Australia, was Joseph?

Tracing this family back to Ireland seems daunting, but I’d love to try….

Laurie Lovelace - March 28, 2012 - 9:04 pm

I am descendant to the Burks through David Burk and Elizabeth Pogues son Robert (brother of Cordelia & Margaret). I haven’t updated my website in quite some time. Please feel free to contact me if you like.

Edward Downard’s Album

When I was back in Ontario this summer, we had a small family reunion with my mom’s Hird cousins.  One of them brought along a large box of old family photos and memorabilia.  Included in this box was an album of postcards from World War I.  These postcards had been collected by Edward Downard (1881-1841), the husband of Bessie Melville (my mom’s great aunt) and son of George Downard and Mary Vaughn.

During the first two years of the war (1914-1916-ish), Edward was a Staff-Sergeant with the No. 2 Canadian General Hospital.  The postcards are mostly from this time and they show some of the locations in England where the staff of the No. 2 trained (Bulford, Market Lavington and the Salisbury Plain).  More interestingly, however, the postcards document in detail the daily life at the No. 2 General Hospital when it was stationed on the Normandy coast in Le Tréport, France.  They show the daily life at the hospital: life in the wards, life as a wounded soldier, growing a garden, the hospital mascot (Pete the Duck).  They also show some of the extraordinary events which occurred: a storm which blew down the hospitals’ tents in September 1915; a VIP visit from Sir Robert Borden, the Prime Minister of Canada and Sir Max Aitken, later Lord Beaverbrook; the funeral of a major who accidentally fell off a cliff; and Dominion Day and Christmas celebrations.

Many of these postcards were sent to Edward’s fiancé Bessie Melville and are inscribed on the back.  The inscriptions tell the story of Ed’s life at the hospital.  He was in charge of the linen stores.  He distributed the linens to the wards, and he was responsible for having the linens cleaned.  To do this, he would travel twice a week to Dieppe (a name all too familiar to Canadians) where there was a laundry factory which had the equipment necessary to clean the linens.  Ed’s postcards mention some of his friends and colleagues in the linen stores and in the sergeant’s mess: George Harris, Samuel Bartlett, Wally Robinson, and Leon Jackson.

The bulk of the postcards seem to come from a local photographer in Le Tréport named E. Arnault.  His photos also show up in a postcard collection by a Canadian nurse named Alice Issacson. Her collection can be found at the Library and Archives Canada site here.

Around 1917, Ed was promoted and was transferred to the No. 16 Canadian General Hospital in Orpington, Kent.  There are very few photographs after this time, likely because there was no local photographer interested in documenting the hospital as had been the case in Le Tréport.

I was really moved by this album which showed a different side to the war.  My husband and I scanned the entire album and I have uploaded it to Flickr with the hopes that anyone who is interested in it may find it.   We are currently trying to find a good home for the non-virtual album.

You can also find more information about the No. 2 Canadian General Hospital in the Colonel’s and Matron’s Diaries which are posted on the Library and Archives Canada site.

Below are a few choice photos of Edward Downard.

Edward Downard

Edward Downard (foreground) in one of the wards

Edward Downard and the sergeants of the No. 2 Canadian General Hospital

Edward Downard (bald head) carrying the casket at Major William Pearson Dillon's funeral. Dillon fell off a cliff near the hospital and died.

Edward Downard and Luxe the dog

Edward Downard and the linen stores

Edward Downard and the linen stores

Edward Downard (right) with the linens, possibly on the way to Dieppe

Blog and Web Site Update

I’ve been messing around with the blog design and fixing up some things that had gone awry with the database site.  It was painful and I don’t want to talk about it really.  But it’s done.  And I’m not touching it again for a while.

Coming soon though:

- A post on an amazing photo/postcard album from World War I.

- How I think I’m making progress on finding my poor Irish ancestors.

 

 

Bray Families in Ontario and Pennsylvania

Between 1845 and 1870, several branches of the Bray family of St. Teath, Cornwall, England emigrated to Ontario, Canada or to Pennsylvania, United States. Several of these families were Bible Christians and were fleeing moderate persecution and less-than-moderate poverty.

The Brays who went to Pennsylvania worked in slate mines. Those who chose Canada worked as farmers and aspired to own their own lands.

Below are the emigrations that I have found in two branches of the St. Teath Brays. These families are related. The children in each family are second cousins. While there is evidence that the sons of William Bray and Elizabeth Pethick kept in touch with each other after their emigration, I’m not sure how close they were to their second cousins who had also emigrated.

In Ontario, it was difficult to sort out the relationship between the Northumberland Brays and the Durham County Brays.

Sons of William Bray (1792-1872) and Harriet Inch (1794-1879):

      • William Bray (1818-bef 1891) and Ann May emigrated to Ontario c. 1848. William was a farmer in Haldimand Township in Northumberland County. He and his wife had three daughters.
      • James Bray (1826-?) and Elizabeth Keat emigrated to Plainfield, Pennsylvania between 1861 and 1870 where James worked as a slater.
      • Thomas Solomon Bray (1827-1909) and Elizabeth Ann Stephens emigrated to Ontario in 1850. Thomas and his wife settled in Hamilton Township, Northumberland County where they were farmers. Thomas and his wife had 11 children.
      • Samuel Henry Bray (1836-1916)and Anna Maria Male emigrated to Pen Argyl, Pennsylvania in 1866. Samuel worked as a quarryman.

Sons of William Bray (1798-1882) and Elizabeth Pethick (1795-1850)

        • John Bray (1823-1905) and Mary Luxon emigrated to Hope Township, Durham County, Ontario and were farmers. They emigrated between 1851 and 1854 (based on the birth dates and places of their daughters Annie and Matilda.)
        • William Bray (1825-1908)and Betsey Bath also emigrated to Hope Township where they were also farmers. They emigrated in 1850.
        • James Bray (1827-1890) and Mary Jewell moved to East Bangor, Pennsylvania where they were slaters. They moved between 1861 and 1870.
        • Richard Bray (1829-1870) moved to East Bangor, Pennsylvania where he died in 1870.
        • Joseph Bray (1834-1889) and Louisa Preston moved to East Bangor, Pennsylvania in 1856. Joseph Bray owned a slate mine and died a prosperous man.
        • Philip Bray (1837-1883). Philip moved to East Bangor, Pennsylvania between 1851 and 1860 and worked there as a slater.

As you can see from the chronological list of emigrations below, those who chose Ontario did so in the 1850s. Those who moved to Pennsylvania emigrated (with the exception of Joseph) in the 1860s.

 

 

There were probably several more of the St. Teath Brays emigrated to Ontario or Pennsylvania who I have yet to find. If you know of more, let me know!

William Bray and Betsey Bath Family

Philip Bray

Joseph Bray

Thomas Solomon Bray and Betsey Stephens

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